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Discussion in 'Search Engine Optimization' started by eurekapsycrille, Jan 25, 2013.

  1. eurekapsycrille

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    Ok folks, I just want to hear your opinion about the "real" Google penalties. You know there are many rumors out there about this kind of stuff and I want to know something from you.

    Okay, for me the only "real" Google penalty in "de-index". I don't really believe that there is a "duplicate content" penalty, exact match domain penalty, Google Sandbox, or penguin attack or whatsoever. So for me the only real penalty is Google de-index. Though they have not said that this thing is a penalty, I think there is no worst scenario that can happen to your website than this.

    If your website got hit by an algo update, you can still work to bounce it back to where it was. But if your site is completely removed from Google database, then it's the end of the game for your site. That's why I called it "real penalty".

    So it's time now for you to let us know what are your thoughts about it! :)
     
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  2. Ted

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    Penalties do exist both manual penalties and algorithmic penalties

    The Google sandbox actually has two different meanings which confuse the point. Google has a separate index that it can play around with inside the Googleplex to test algorithms and theories to see if they improve ranking results. They call this their Sandbox. Google has similar sandboxes for other products it owns where people can test things before they go live. This is not what most people are talking about when they say sandbox though.
    https://developers.google.com/checkout/developer/Google_Checkout_Basic_HTML_Sandbox
    https://accounts.google.com/Service...com/&followup=http://plus.sandbox.google.com/
    http://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/webmasters/LitLfUBgV3Y

    A couple years ago there used to be something in the Google algorithm that made it appear that there was a sandbox like effect on a new website. You could cause this by building too many low quality links to a new website too quickly. The site would disappear from the Google search results for anywhere from a few months to a year. I had it happen personally, many times. This doesn't happen anymore. So, whatever caused it before, seems to have been nullified. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandbox_effect

    Yes there is a duplicate content penalty. It is called Google Panda. Duplicate content is one of the primary reasons Panda exists. Yes you can recover from it. You have to fix whatever is causing the problem. Then at the next iteration of Panda, the site will recover in rankings. http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/02/finding-more-high-quality-sites-in.html

    Yes there is a Google Penguin algorithm update. I had pages on sites demoted to where they don’t rank at all. It is very easy to do and verify for yourself. Just go build a bunch of links (hundreds or thousands) to a page using the same exact anchor text on all the links. Those links will cause your page to rank very high in the search results for the time being, possibly all the way to position one in Google. At whatever time Google runs its next Penguin iteration, you will probably see that page get deranked in the search results to the point where you can’t find it anymore. Then that page won’t rank for any keywords anymore even if you try to get it ranking for a different keyword. http://insidesearch.blogspot.com/2012/04/another-step-to-reward-high-quality.html

    It is possible to recover from Penguin depending on how many bad links you have pointing at the page. You can get as many links as possible removed from wherever they came from. You can use the Google disavow tool to denounce whatever links remain. However, when you have tens of thousands of links pointing to numerous pages on a site, it can be “unrealistic” to manually clean up the problem. In which case the site is basically hopeless and unrecoverable. It may as well be deindexed completely.

    Google manual penalties definitely exist too as they have admitted to it. You can cause these penalties to your own site by purchasing links that pass PageRank and then making it obvious that you have done so. There are many public cases of this.

    In fact, Google has already admitted and explained all of the things you are questioning. You just need to dig around on the net and you will find them all.

    Does it matter whether they are technically called penalties or algorithm updates or whatever? They still cause your rankings to go down or disappear completely.
     
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  3. WorkWithMorgan

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    I'm not sure, but I have duplicate content on my blog and a few document sharing sites and both of them rank for the keyword. so I have no idea.
     

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