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  1. joeny0706

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    Hi all, I am new to this forum but need advice so I do not get fired.
    Hi all

    Ok this is a long question that will help me advance in my career or make me lose my job.
    I am 28 years old with a BA but my biggest problems seems to be that I look young. I look about 21. Some people say this is good but I am finding out that at the time it is not. I do not get the respect that I should. I live in upstate NY. It is a small town that the dealership is in.
    I graduated from a 4 year school with computer information systems BA. While I was looking for a job my cousin who works at an automotive dealership told me that there IT guy was fired recently. I then went to the dealership and gave them my resume and applied for the job. While I was there I met with the Gen. Sales Mgr. I was called a week later and offered the job. When he offered the job he said the pay was 575 a week. I was happy to just get a job at the time so I did not make a different offer of what I wanted. I took the job. The dealership has 4 major departments and 4 directors and the president. There sales, parts, service and the office staff. I am part of neither but for some reason because the Gen sales Man is the one who interviewed me and hired me there are people who think he is my boss. I was talking with him one time and he said he is not my boss and I am not part of his department but the recanted the statement and said he is my boss. This is all because I look young I feel. When I need to buy things for the dealership I go to the director of that department it is for and when it deals with the whole place I go to the president. So I do not go to the Gen Sales Mgr for everything as I would if I was part of his Dept. and he was my boss.

    At the dealership I am the IT manager. I have no other help. There is around 75 computers 2 Windows servers and a server called Ren. The Ren is a database server that is specific to automobile dealership. Ren is a completely new OS and App that I had to learn on my own. “It was not easy” When I started I was not left with anything and the last IT person was a salesman who had some knowledge of computers so the made him in charge. When I started everything was a mess. The network had no security and was far behind on updates and needed a lot. I take care of the phones the auto tech computers, printer, run cables, fix phone lines and install new ones and pretty much anything with electricity.

    I have now been at the company for over 2 years. I feel that I have done a lot of good here and can do good in the future. But I want some changes and would like to ask peoples options of if and how I should go about this.

    I would like 675 a week “100 more”. I would also like 2 weeks’ vacation “I get one right now, all managers’ start with 2”. I would also like to have control of myself and my own department. I do not want to report to the Gen Sales Mgr. The dealership is a relaxed work environment. I call the president by his first name as does everyone else. He is a big hunter and I will go and ask him how his hunt went when he returns from a trip. Talk about the trip. “Just to show that it is not a strict work environment.

    Now I am making under 30,000 a year. There are some salesmen who make over 60 and Sales Managers over 60,000 to 100,000 and the Gen Sales Manager probably close to 120,000 or more who knows. Staff at the part counters also some over 60,000$. Some of the salesmen and counter people are just out of high school with no collage and make a lot more than me. Some double. At the dealership if you do not make money on commission you do not make much at all. The president is very cheap when it comes to spending money. Even 10$ and he has one or more million I believe. For the area I live in that is very wealthy.

    The dealership is doing well I think. The president goes on over 10 trips world wide a year or more and Vacations. He took all the managers “sales manager, parts, service and directors on a trip to Costa Rica that cost around 300,000$”

    I need some advice on how I can ask for what I want. I am thinking I need to put it all in writing and then tell the president I want to setup a time to meet and talk with him. I am kind of worried when I ask to setup a time he will say let’s just talk now.

    They do not look at me as an important part of the dealership. But without my skills and daily task this place would have a very hard time running as smoothly as it does.

    One of my problems is that I am not very good at writing and do not think I will be able to put this all on paper and have it sound professional like it should. I am asking for help in 2 ways.

    Do my wants seem reasonable, and help with what I should say and how to go about asking for what I want. I do not want to make it seem as I am saying “give me this or else” I would like to negotiate if they are not willing to give me what I want but I would very much rather have what I listed above and not take anything less. At same time do not want to lose my job.

    Please help me all who have advice. Best would be with writing documentation and how to go about it.
     
  2. Dean

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    As this is the Businiess Advice Forum I feel compelled to give you some advice.

    As you have a problem with writing perhaps the best medium is through a face to face meeting. Word on a piece of paper or a computer screen can seem cold and can often be misconstrued.

    When you complete a job at work do you say "it was nothing" or "it wasn't difficult" or something along those lines? If so, you are probably selling yourself short. Try and reel in the modesty and make sure that they notice what you are doing. Obviously you shouldn't go overboard but nobody will notice unless you tell them how hard you are working.

    You should set up a meeting with who you feel is your boss and share what you have shared with us. Make sure you let him know about all the work you have done/are doing and link it to the current success of the company.

    Everyone wants to feel valued at work but if you don't share your worth then your boss won't know how valuable you are.
     
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  3. Mark T

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    Hi there.

    What you can do is to approach the right person politely, in a very professional way. Then, ask them about what they can say on your performance being in the company for over 2 years. Are they satisfied? Do they have any other feedback to you?

    Probably realizing that you are worth more than what you are now, you can politely ask them or request them if possible - to increase your earnings and probably hand out your plan to them - how will it work with the company and how will it benefit the company as a whole. It is not just promoting yourself to them but also more like asking for a little change so you can motivate yourself more on your career/work as well as it could benefit the company too - int the long run.

    Tell them that whatever their decision could be, all you want is a simple change. Nothing more, nothing less. And if they ca'nt give it yet, then say its fine. Just to make sure you won't lose your job.
     
  4. JPStonestreet

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    I've been both a manager and employer. What I respect the most is someone who comes to me and asks, "I've been here a while without a raise. What can I do to get to the next level?"

    What I see here is a common mistake made by avoiders. You don't say anything until you're so frustrated that you say too much. If you haven't asked for a raise in two years or had the career path conversation, it would be overkill to go in with a list of demands now. You'll put your manager on the defensive and he'll probably start looking for a replacement.

    You can't make up for lost time. Going forward, have a conversation at least every six months with your manager and ask how you're doing and what you can do to improve. It's your responsibility to request the meeting, not his. It's your career, not his. Then ask, "If I reach these goals we've talked about, will there be a financial reward in the form of a raise or bonus?" If he says no, start looking for another job (without telling anyone you work with). When you have an offer at another company that you're willing to take, politely tell your manager you have an offer for X dollars. If they want to keep you bad enough, they'll match or beat it. If they don't, sometimes your best choice is to move on.

    Now for a little self-help advice... Read the book "Awaken the Giant Within" by Tony Robbins. You're absolutely right to aspire to more than your current state...you just need some help on how to do it.
     
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    I agree with that JPStoneStreet. Most people do that and really realized to do it in the right time.
     
  6. Casey

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    Thanks for taking the effort to describe your situation, appreciate it.

    It seems that you just lack a bit confidence. You should just go out and do it, but of course be prepared to prove that you did a great job over the past few years. Just think about, what is the worst thing that can happen if you harden up and do it? Nothing!
     

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