Terror attack in Mumbai and threatened in NYC

[Kay]

I hope all our Indian friends here at BAF and their families are well out of the way of this terrible event being reported now:


NEW DELHI — Coordinated terror attacks struck the heart of Mumbai, India’s commercial capital, Wednesday evening, targeting at least two five-star hotels, the city’s largest commuter train station, a historic movie theater and a hospital.

The state’s highest ranking police official, A.N. Roy, said the attackers, armed with machine guns and grenades, opened fire and disappeared. Local television reported deaths tolls as high as 80, none of them could be confirmed and the police were yet to give an official count of their own.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/27/world/asia/27mumbai.html?hp



We've been warned here today of possible terror attacks too in NY subways:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/27/nyregion/27Subway.html?em


The intelligence that led to the warnings was included in an internal FBI memo obtained by the Associated Press. The memo said that the agency had received a “plausible but unsubstantiated” report that in late September, members of al Qaeda discussed the possibility of enlisting suicide bombers or detonating explosives in transit systems in the New York area.

“We have no specific details to confirm that this plot has developed beyond aspirational planning, but we are issuing this warning out of concern that such an attack could possibly be conducted during the forthcoming holiday season,” the report said, according to the Associated Press.

[Nazreen]

Oh dear, even the senior police officers including the head Anti-Terrorism Squad are some of the casualties. Hope this act of terrorism will be resolved as soon as possible with minimum casualties.

With the deepening global financial crisis, governments will have no choice but to cut on overall spending including security. This is the time that terrorist networks and those with evil intent will look for gaps in defenses especially in countries that are pro-America. Read this article - Experts See Security Risks in Downturn (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/14/AR2008111403864.html).

[Fergal]

From CNN (http://edition.cnn.com/).


Authorities have raised the death toll from Wednesday's coordinated attacks in Mumbai to 101. The number of people wounded in the attacks has also been raised to 314,

Very, very sad to see this happening in India. I spent four months traveling in India a few years back. I loved the country and I still dream about it. Most unfortunately India has been the victim of a number of terrorist attacks in recent times.

One of my sisters was in India only a month ago. There were bomb attacks when she was in Delhi. As a result most of the streets were closed off and she had to spend most of her time in her hotel.

If India wants to progress on the global economic front and to continue to attract foreign visitors it will have to deal with these incidents in a very serious manner. International companies will not invest and tourists wont visit unless they are confident that the government can restore security.

Hy heart and sympathy goes out to everyone caught up in these terrible attacks. I heard on the radio this morning, that some hostages are still being held. Hopefully they will be released safely.

BBC News Update here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7751707.stm).

[scifi]

The attacks were claimed by a previously unknown terrorists group calling itself the Deccan Mujahideen in an e-mail to news organisations.
"Deccan is another name for southern India.""Mujahideen means group of people who are ready to go to any extent for their purpose no matter it is evil or good!!!!"
Even the death toll of 101 includes 9 foreigners too.

WHO ARE THE DECCAN MUJAHIDEEN?
Indian police say the Indian Mujahideen is an offshoot of the banned Students' Islamic Movement of India (SIMI), but that local Muslims appear to have been given training and backing from militant groups in neighbouring Pakistan and Bangladesh.
As far as security is concerned in India, Govt. has announced high alert & even the two one day matches between England & India had been postponed till further notice....

[Nazreen]

..."Mujahideen means group of people who are ready to go to any extent for their purpose no matter it is evil or good!!!!"

...Indian police say the Indian Mujahideen is an offshoot of the banned Students' Islamic Movement of India (SIMI), but that local Muslims appear to have been given training and backing from militant groups in neighbouring Pakistan and Bangladesh.

Your definition is actually wrong Scifi. Mujahideen means one who fights for Jihad. These terrorists should not use Mujahideen as their terrorist's group name because they're not even fighting a Jihad. What they're doing is terrorism and not a Holy War.

The media shouldn't also use the terms "Muslim terrorists" and "Islamic terrorists". Why couldn't they just label them as terrorists? There are a lot of murderers and criminals who happen to have Catholicism and Christianity as their religion but the media never call them "Christian killers" or "Catholic rapists"? When these Muslims, Catholics and Christians started doing wrong things like killing and other evil deeds, they stopped being Muslims, Catholics and Christians! This is because killing and acts of terrorism are against the laws of Islam, Catholicism and Christianity.

Muslims in Singapore and around the world are having a hard time because of these acts of these terrorism. We stand with the U.S. and the rest of the "civilized world" in the fight against terrorism.

[youbetcha1018]

Just saw on TV about the attack. To all of our Indian, American and British friends here in this forum, I hope that all of your family and relatives or even friends in your country are well and safe.

Also, on the news there were Filipinos who were working on the luxury hotels and restaurants that were attacked by the terrorists. Fortunately, no one is reported dead or injured. No Filipino Casualties Reported in Mumbai Attack (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?ArticleId=419072).

[Kay]

Your definition is actually wrong Scifi. Mujahideen means one who fights for Jihad. These terrorists should not use Mujahideen as their terrorist's group name because they're not even fighting a Jihad. What they're doing is terrorism and not a Holy War.

The media shouldn't also use the terms "Muslim terrorists" and "Islamic terrorists". Why couldn't they just label them as terrorists? There are a lot of murderers and criminals who happen to have Catholicism and Christianity as their religion but the media never call them "Christian killers" or "Catholic rapists"? When these Muslims, Catholics and Christians started doing wrong things like killing and other evil deeds, they stopped being Muslims, Catholics and Christians! This is because killing and acts of terrorism are against the laws of Islam, Catholicism and Christianity.

Muslims in Singapore and around the world are having a hard time because of these acts of these terrorism. We stand with the U.S. and the rest of the "civilized world" in the fight against terrorism.

I agree with you, Nazreen. It's unfair to tar everyone with the same brush and sometimes the media are the world's worst for being careless with their words. They should indeed know better given the influence they have. I was reading the UK's Times Online site earlier this morning and they kept referring to Mumbai as Bombay, when the name has been officially changed for over a decade (read about that here) (http://www.slate.com/id/2145650/?nav=fix). Why a high quality site like that would do so is beyond me.

Reading between the lines, most of the press don't seem to think the group claiming responsibility is capable of such an atrocity without outside help if they were involved at all.

Latest updates at the NY Times say there's only one gunman left at the Taj. I never thought for a minute I'd see Twitter being used for something like this but the Tweets are flying everywhere, the article says. (http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/27/mumbai-attacks-updates/?hp)It's hard to differentiate between fact and rumor at Tweeter though.

Everyone caught up in this is in my thoughts and prayers.

[Nazreen]

Thanks for that Kay. Most Muslims in the civilized world do condemn these acts of terrorism. I also sympathize and pray for the victims and those who are hurt in Mumbai.

It's very bad that these are happening especially during these hard times. There would always be a great impact, short-term and long-term, with these acts of terrorism. On the short-term, India's stock, money, commodity and bond markets are all closed following the incident. For the long-term, however, foreign investors planning on investing in India might now have second thoughts and consider other alternatives. Aside from that, it might also hurt the US economy even further because India is a US ally.

[scifi]

Your definition is actually wrong Scifi. Mujahideen means one who fights for Jihad. These terrorists should not use Mujahideen as their terrorist's group name because they're not even fighting a Jihad. What they're doing is terrorism and not a Holy War.


Nazreen I know that my definition of Mujahideen is not correct & the definition given by you is absolutely right but since I respect all the religions & their teachings, So I just don't want to mention the term Jihad since it is very great word having very deep meaning according to me "Holy warrior or one who fights for justice in the name of God"( If I am right this time).
I have used the definition of Mujahideen in general context so as to avoid hurting religious sentiments of anybody here...!!!!

[scifi]

latest updates--
The Oberoi-Trident hotel building has been taken over by the security forces after a prolonged battle. The security personnel are now moving ahead with the room-to-room checking.
There have been reports of fresh firings at the Taj heritage hotel around this afternoon. National Security Guards said at least one terrorist is still in Taj Heritage wing with a few hostages.

I don' t know when this terror act will be over...Australian PM has given information that 36 nationals of Australia are still missing in Mumbai, Israel has criticized Indian rescue efforts...

[Nazreen]

Nazreen I know that my definition of Mujahideen is not correct & the definition given by you is absolutely right but since I respect all the religions & their teachings, So I just don't want to mention the term Jihad since it is very great word having very deep meaning according to me "Holy warrior or one who fights for justice in the name of God"( If I am right this time).

That's okay Scifi. We Muslims usually refer to Mujahideen as someone who is fighting for Islam or fighting a Holy War or Jihad. Jihad is supposed to be for the betterment or survival of Islam and not the other way around. What these terrorists are doing are totally the opposite. They are tarnishing the name of Islam so they're not Mujahideen. "Fighting" also doesn't even have to be taken literally because we also call religious teachers or "Ustaz" as Mujahideen because they spread the word of our religion.

According to the latest news, these terrorists didn't even want to negotiate or ask for demands in exchanged for the hostages. I think that this is because it's also a suicide mission and they have a misplaced belief that they'll go to heaven when they die. Well that's pretty unlikely and I hope that they all rot in hell!

[silent_thunder]

This is really sad as we have lost over innocent 160 humanbeings. What did they do to deserve this?? Why this hatred?? Where does religion come into play??

India is a country with the second largest muslim population in the world with over 150 million muslims how can anyone claim that India is not giving equal rights to muslims and attack us.

India has never invaded any country in the last 1000 years yet they claim India is aggressive and looks to war.I dont get it at all. It doesnt matter if Jihad has a different meaning or not the fact is in the name of jihad several innocent life are lost. Shouldn't the muslim community around the world get together and look at where their religion is heading towards??

Nazreen I understand that for every bad Islamic terrorists there a million good Islamic follower but shouldn't the million others try to get their religions image back on track??

I think its time that muslims around the world woke up and do something about it or you religions image will get tarnished again and again

[Fergal]

...The media shouldn't also use the terms "Muslim terrorists" and "Islamic terrorists". Why couldn't they just label them as terrorists? There are a lot of murderers and criminals who happen to have Catholicism and Christianity as their religion but the media never call them "Christian killers" or "Catholic rapists"? ...

I agree with this sentiment 100% and I do feel that Muslims get a raw deal in the media. Personally I believe that one reason for this (and I'm open to correction about this) is that Muslims are so defensive about their religion.

Perhaps defensive is not the right word, but if a public figure criticises the Islamic religion or one of it's leaders this will often lead to a huge outcry and even death threats by Muslim people. Examples that come to mind are the outcry against Salman Rushdie's "Statanic Verses" and the Muhammad cartoons controversy. Again I'm open to correction but I don't feel that those outcries were only accounted for by a few extremists.

I was born a Catholic and live in a predominantly Catholic country. I've previously mentioned that I no longer support the Catholic Church, because of their history of abuse in Ireland and because of some of their religious beliefs.

I'm free to express these views in Ireland, without any fear of danger. The Catholic Church does lie and cover things up when criticised, but they are still open to criticism. If I lived in an Islamic country would it be safe for me to openly criticise the Islamic religion and its leaders? Don't get me wrong, I'm not criticising the religion, to be honest I don't know enough about it.

Thankfully the siege has now been declared over, more details here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7756068.stm).

[Nazreen]

Nazreen I understand that for every bad Islamic terrorists there a million good Islamic follower but shouldn't the million others try to get their religions image back on track??

Do you really think that Muslims from other countries can tell the terrorists what to do, Silent_thunder? I don't think so. All our Muslim leaders and our government can do is to condemn these acts of terrorism. Singapore is also a pro-US country so we're also one of the targets of terrorists.


Perhaps defensive is not the right word, but if a public figure criticises the Islamic religion or one of it's leaders this will often lead to a huge outcry and even death threats by Muslim people. Examples that come to mind are the outcry against Salman Rushdie's "Statanic Verses" and the Muhammad cartoons controversy. Again I'm open to correction but I don't feel that those outcries were only accounted for by a few extremists.

I'm really glad that the seige is finally over. My deepest sympathies and prayers go to the victims of this terrorist act. At least 22 foreigners are known to have died and 1 Singaporean lady lawyer is one of the victims.

I was born a Catholic and live in a predominantly Catholic country. I've previously mentioned that I no longer support the Catholic Church, because of their history of abuse in Ireland and because of some of their religious beliefs.

I think that most religious leaders are like that, Fergal. They're always defensive when they think that someone is trying to make fun of their religion or someone is saying something bad about it. Just see the reactions of Christians when the "Da Vinci Code" movie was released.

When I attended a religious class when I was young, the religious teacher gave us a scenario. There is a first Muslim who never misses his 5 daily prayers and always goes to the Mosque but after that he always sins by gambling and stealing. There's also a second Muslim who never prayed his entire life but he still believes in God and always avoid doing bad things. Who do you think will go to heaven? The answer is.. the second Muslim in this story has a much higher chance of going to heaven.

With this story, I do believe that belief in God is more important than religion, Fergal. Religion is also secondary because our personal relationship with God is more important.

[silent_thunder]

I think religious leaders should stand up.Look what dalai lama has achieved. People will listen to religious leaders

[scifi]

With this story, I do believe that belief in God is more important than religion, Fergal. Religion is also secondary because our personal relationship with God is more important.

Well Nazreen I would like to say that the prime most religion in the world is Humanity!!!If there will be no humanity there will be no religions....this religion of Humanity is what that get nurtures from love, global communism, mutual respect & other values inside us. Moreover all religions leads to God; path may be different though..No religion, I think can justify terror in any form neither no one spread message of hatred too!!!

[Fergal]

I think that most religious leaders are like that, Fergal. They're always defensive when they think that someone is trying to make fun of their religion or someone is saying something bad about it. Just see the reactions of Christians when the "Da Vinci Code" movie was released...

I think there's a big difference in scale to be honest. The makers of the Da Vinci Code may have had criticism and there may have been some protesters with placards outside movie theatres. Salman Rushdie had to go into hiding for years, because there was a serious threat against his life. Objections and public criticism are one thing, serious death threats are another.

[Swastik]

This is really sad as we have lost over innocent 160 humanbeings. What did they do to deserve this?? Why this hatred?? Where does religion come into play??

India is a country with the second largest muslim population in the world with over 150 million muslims how can anyone claim that India is not giving equal rights to muslims and attack us.

India has never invaded any country in the last 1000 years yet they claim India is aggressive and looks to war.I dont get it at all. It doesnt matter if Jihad has a different meaning or not the fact is in the name of jihad several innocent life are lost. Shouldn't the muslim community around the world get together and look at where their religion is heading towards??

Nazreen I understand that for every bad Islamic terrorists there a million good Islamic follower but shouldn't the million others try to get their religions image back on track??

I think its time that muslims around the world woke up and do something about it or you religions image will get tarnished again and again

Quite right.

A recent news channel reported this : (In my own words)

The terrorist who was caught revealed some important information, on where they were trained. That was NWFP (North West Frontier Province) and Muzaffarabad. A group of 24 people was trained for 7 months including all types of training, hard physical exercise, marine exercise, ammunition exercise.

The group that claimed responsbility (LashKair-e-taiyeba) said "We won't stop till Americans stop wading the Muslim blood for nothing."

And what's funny is the politics going on in the country. You may have heard from everyone, but Pratibha Patel (our president). Where were the MSN activists when this happened in "their" Mumbai. Politicians are playing vote bank over this.

It's high time people (general people like you and me) realize what ACTUALLY is happening behind the scenes and themselves take responsibility to fight.

It was a shame to hear that a single terrorist shot 30 people one after one making them stand in a queue at the Taj. :mad:

[Fergal]

...It's high time people (general people like you and me) realize what ACTUALLY is happening behind the scenes and themselves take responsibility to fight....

Can you please explain what you mean by this a little more?

[Nazreen]

I'm really glad that this is already over. In the wake of these attacks and upon knowing that the terrorists are from Pakistan, let's hope and pray that it stops there and not escalate any further. Armed conflict between two nuclear-armed countries is very scary to imagine.

I have to commend Pakistan's President Asif Ali Zardari for keeping a cooler head. In Monday night's television interview, he said that if India shared the results of its investigation, Pakistan would “do everything in our power to go after these militants.”

[scifi]

I'm really glad that this is already over. In the wake of these attacks and upon knowing that the terrorists are from Pakistan, let's hope and pray that it stops there and not escalate any further. Armed conflict between two nuclear-armed countries is very scary to imagine.

I have to commend Pakistan's President Asif Ali Zardari for keeping a cooler head. In Monday night's television interview, he said that if India shared the results of its investigation, Pakistan would “do everything in our power to go after these militants.”

Sorry for going off the topic Fergal!!!
Nazreen, commendation of Pakistan President will be of no good here because it is the same one who had refused to take back the dead bodies of their soldiers during Kargil War refusing their identity as Pakistanis.
It is the statement given in the wake of international pressure. If it had been not so then Pakistan would have surely cooperated India in getting most of the criminals in her MOST Wanted LIST which are currently using Pak. as their hideouts.
http://in.news.yahoo.com/137/20081202/738/tnl-factbox-wanted-by-india-living-in-pa.html

[Swastik]

Can you please explain what you mean by this a little more?

I would not like to comment on political matters. But the way these recent happenings have been tried to be encashed (in terms of vote bank) by different parties is pitiful.

India should try and strengthen their security measures to prevent such attacks, rather fight among themselves which government had more such mishaps.

[deepak_sharma]

Well these terrorist don't have any religion. You can't blame any single community for it. But still the question have changed from " Does all muslim are terrorist?" from " Does all terrorist are muslim".

[deepak_sharma]

In reference to recent terror activities on mumbai, How many of you think the involvement of pakistan in these. I also wanted to ask about "Does US is becoming bias when it comes to take decision regarding pakistan.

[Nazreen]

I'm sorry Deepak_sharma but I resent your implication that all Muslims are terrorists and all terrorists are Muslims.

If you've read my post (http://www.businessadviceforum.com/showthread.php?p=9517#post517) in the first page of this thread, you would know how Muslims like me feel about terrorists.

Most religions preach goodness but when used as a political tool and when used by evil people to create hate, havoc or war, they're no longer following the tenets of their religion.

If you read this article 'Hindu terrorism' debate grips India (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7739541.stm) and you're a Hindu, wouldn't you be offended too? Would you be offended too if people called you a terrorist just because you're a Hindu? We should all be sensitive to the feelings of other people and think before we talk.

[Kay]

I don't know is my honest answer, deepak. I feel that when I only have news report to rely on, and am thousands of miles away, I'm not really in a position to judge what's going on in the same way someone is who's right there. The situation's been followed from the start in this thread. (http://www.businessadviceforum.com/showthread.php?t=1651)

I'm not sure what you mean about US bias, can you clarify that please?

[Kay]

We should all be sensitive to the feelings of other people and think before we talk.

Agreed. One of the things I really like about BAF is that we all come from diverse backgrounds and can discuss what we think freely about current events and business practices. We'll debate things back and forth like any other board, but each person here always backs up what they say when there are differences of opinion from either their personal experience or will quote a reliable source as the basis of their argument. I for one would hate to see that change and hope we can all get along.

[Fergal]

Threads merged.


Well these terrorist don't have any religion. You can't blame any single community for it. But still the question have changed from " Does all muslim are terrorist?" from " Does all terrorist are muslim".

Deepak I'm glad that you acknowledge that "You can't blame any single community".

However, asking "" Does all terrorist are muslim" sounds narrow minded and offensive, to be honest. Obviously there are many terrorist organisations the world over that do not have any Muslim affiliation. You don't even have to leave your own nation. The Tamil Tigers are a terrorist organisation that have been responsible for significant carnage and number of deaths and they are not Muslims.

You might also remember that the split and animosity between Muslims and Hindus in India and Pakistan has it's roots in the "divide and conquer" policy utilised by the English when they colonised you. They used the same policy by turning Protestants and Catholics against each other in Ireland.

[deepak_sharma]

I am really sorry Nazreen if i had hurt you. I think you all took me wrong. The statement "Does all terrorist are muslim" Was from a major News Tv channel Which i wanted to highlight. I am again really sorry if i had hurt you but it was unintentional.

[Webestrian]

In reference to recent terror activities on mumbai, How many of you think the involvement of pakistan in these. I also wanted to ask about "Does US is becoming bias when it comes to take decision regarding pakistan.

Dude,blaming Pakistan bluntly was just a blame game and India has also done it in past many times,such as,recent Samjhota Express incident was also blamed at Pakistan but it was revealed after investigation that an Indian armed personnel was behind that scene.

So one should wait and investigate before blaming a country with 24 hrs of the incident.Its all political propaganda,nothing else.

Pakistan herself is the World's biggest victim of terrorism,there are bomb blast every week.So should Pakistan say,its India behind this.but they never say.

About US bias,i would say only one thing.Us only works for its own interests,rather every nation does so.So,If their interest is in helping Pakistan they would do so,and if its other way round,they would go for that option.

No offenses .and this post isn't meant to hurt anyone.Its only my personal opinion.You may have different opinion.

[Webestrian]

@ Nazreen regarding muslims being tagged as Terrorists.

No muslim is a terrorist and no terrorist by any definition can be called a muslim.
Islam by its definition means "Peace" and Islam propagates the message of peace.

[deepak_sharma]

Well who says there is no proof on the involvement of pakistan in mumbai incident. Indian Government have placed hard proofs in front of both US and Pakistan. All the terrorist have been identified as paksitan citizen. For those who have any doubt just take some time out and look at this link....http://www.indianexpress.com/news/mumbai-attacks-police-reveal-names-of-all-te.../396298/

[Nazreen]

I am really sorry Nazreen if i had hurt you. I think you all took me wrong. The statement "Does all terrorist are muslim" Was from a major News Tv channel Which i wanted to highlight. I am again really sorry if i had hurt you but it was unintentional.

It's okay Deepak, I'm sure it's all unintentional.

It's also all over the papers saying that terrorists were from Pakistani militant group, Lashkar-e-Taiba. As to the nationality of the terrorists, it didn't say whether they're all Pakistanis but I've read that there are also some Indian born suspects who were arrested.

[Webestrian]

It's okay Deepak, I'm sure it's all unintentional.

It's also all over the papers saying that terrorists were from Pakistani militant group, Lashkar-e-Taiba. As to the nationality of the terrorists, it didn't say whether they're all Pakistanis but I've read that there are also some Indian born suspects who were arrested.

Yes they are all non-state actors who have been brain washed to suicide.I don't believe in their nationality.

India and Pakistan ,and the whole world should make combined effort to fight against these terrorists.

[Nazreen]

I'm quite glad that India's Prime Minister Manmohan Singh said that one's religion should not be to blame in the Mumbai attacks. On the other hand, I also think that Pakistan should do it's part in stepping up efforts to crackdown on these militants and terrorists.

[Swastik]

I'm quite glad that India's Prime Minister Manmohan Singh said that one's religion should not be to blame in the Mumbai attacks. On the other hand, I also think that Pakistan should do it's part in stepping up efforts to crackdown on these militants and terrorists.

Exactly.

I myself think that instead of playing the blame game, we should prepare ourselves better if any such attacks take roots in the future.

No Muslim, No Hindu, No other religion teaches to spread violence. No country can be blamed as well - those terrorists are just a handful of people, not the whole country.

What has happened in India, political parties started counting how many attacks took place under whose reign. It's such a pity, they're trying to encash this, when we should try and get Mumbai back to normal as early as possible. And strengthen our defence.

[silent_thunder]

Exactly.

I myself think that instead of playing the blame game, we should prepare ourselves better if any such attacks take roots in the future.

No Muslim, No Hindu, No other religion teaches to spread violence. No country can be blamed as well - those terrorists are just a handful of people, not the whole country.

What has happened in India, political parties started counting how many attacks took place under whose reign. It's such a pity, they're trying to encash this, when we should try and get Mumbai back to normal as early as possible. And strengthen our defence.

I agree to all you comments expect no country should be blamed.

There are countries in this world which are supporting terror. These nations use terror as an indirect war. Pakistan's intelligence agency ISI is known to train LET and other groups. Even now they are reluctant to take action asking for india to provide evidence and blaming the attack on india's internal conflict.

Everyone knows who did it?? Event he pakistani media, I think its geo tv that published that kasab was indeed from fraidkot but still no one does anything.

It is good that we are so tolerant but sometimes we have to take the hard decisions, if they still talk and dont do anything about it. I am afraid its time we clean it up ourselves with our firends.

Are US,UK,Cananda,and France idiots to support India with evidence??

[Swastik]

I agree to all you comments expect no country should be blamed.

There are countries in this world which are supporting terror. These nations use terror as an indirect war. Pakistan's intelligence agency ISI is known to train LET and other groups. Even now they are reluctant to take action asking for india to provide evidence and blaming the attack on india's internal conflict.

Everyone knows who did it?? Event he pakistani media, I think its geo tv that published that kasab was indeed from fraidkot but still no one does anything.

It is good that we are so tolerant but sometimes we have to take the hard decisions, if they still talk and dont do anything about it. I am afraid its time we clean it up ourselves with our firends.

Are US,UK,Cananda,and France idiots to support India with evidence??

I understand and accept all the statements. That reluctant nature of theirs even strengthens the belief of other countries about suspicious works going on the backend, be it or not. Links have been found, and when queried, they're passing unacceptable statements.

But then again, I said not the whole country.. there are people who condemn those things in Pakistan as well.

[Nazreen]

...Are US,UK,Cananda,and France idiots to support India with evidence??

What did you mean with this statement Silent_thunder?

I do have to have to agree with you that governments in those countries where terrorists are roaming freely should take a tougher stand against terrorism. They should do their part in combating terrorism and make our world a safer place to live in.

On another note, did Indian Air Force really violate Pakistan's airspace? Pakistan says so but India denies any violation. Whatever the truth is, it's good that the Pakistan government is downplaying the incident and didn't let it escalate any further.

Read more (http://www.nhatky.in/pakistan-air-space-is-violated-by-india n-air-force-pakistan-12313550).

[scifi]

What did you mean with this statement Silent_thunder?

Read more (http://www.nhatky.in/pakistan-air-space-is-violated-by-india n-air-force-pakistan-12313550).

Hi Nazreen you might have misunderstood Silent ..The statement was given in a tone to depict that India has support of all these countries & they are not fooling around with India on truth of evidence (that PAK. was involved in these terror attacks) as claimed by Pakistan to be false!!!